Apparently, Tam has put 300(!) rounds through a 1911 with no cleaning (and apparently, it started out not so terribly clean to begin with) .... and had no issues.....
Can't be. The only gun that can do that is, of course, a GLOCK. We all know that 1911's are Jam -O-Matics.... The only things worse are Kel-Tecs and Hi-Points....
Be interesting to see if it makes it all the way to the 2000 mark.
I bought one of those Hi-point c9's, put 800 rounds through it so far in the last two months, no jams and it's dead on accurate. Of course I clean it after every range day so....
ReplyDeleteYeah, I have a 9MM HiPoint that is well past 5K rounds, not a hiccup.....But facts are funny things to people....Reality, on the other hand.....
ReplyDeleteIf I never hear again about how "My cop friend told me that _______ gun is a piece of shot and we find 'em at crime scenes all the time jammed up...." I will be happy.
I shoot 1911-style pistols in IPSC competition. In particular a custom open gun built on a STI2011 frame, and a box-stock STI Edge.
ReplyDeleteAs is natural for competition guns they are "tightened up" way beyond the original JMB specified clearances - they certainly don't rattle when shaken as is reported of GI issue pistols.
Yet somehow they can go months (and thousands of rounds) without cleaning before they start to cause me any problems.
Would I treat a carry gun the same? No, but the idea of fallibility being inherent in the 1911 design is a fable.
"Yeah, I have a 9MM HiPoint that is well past 5K rounds, not a hiccup.....But facts are funny things to people....Reality, on the other hand....."
ReplyDeleteSomewhere there's a Yugo with 200,000 miles on it, too.
I've seen lots and lots and lots of Hi Points. I have owned three myself. A Hi Point with a documented, actual 5k on the logbook with not a single malfunction is Winning Lotto Ticket Rare.
That's Reality. Some people don't like that.
"As is natural for competition guns they are "tightened up" way beyond the original JMB specified clearances - they certainly don't rattle when shaken as is reported of GI issue pistols."
ReplyDeleteGI Colts did not rattle when shaken. Not when new. Go get a new Colt out of a dealer showcase and shake it. That's how tight the GI 1911s were when issued. I've handled enough 90+% old ones to have verified this.
The "rattle" myth came from GIs in the '60s-'70s-'80s getting issued fifty- and sixty-year-old worn out rebuilt guns. The last GI 1911s were built by Colt in 1945; that means the NEWEST pistols in inventory when the M9 rollout began were better than forty years old, and the oldest were close to double that.
Thanks Tam, I couldn't credit that the military would accept "guns that rattled", hence the "as is reported" rider.
ReplyDeleteIt's nice to have the back story - I had no idea that the guns were so old when still in service. Maybe that's more praise for the fundamentals of the design than my anecdote anyway.
My guns benefit from modern metallurgy, new materials, FEA design, and lubricants that the old GI guns most likely never saw, but for the most part, Old Slabsides still kept kicking ass and taking names. :)
I was issued a 1911, in the Army, it rattled when I looked at it. Shot just fine though.
ReplyDeleteNot hard, really. Just keep 'em clean. A lot of firearms will run 5k without issues if they are properly maintained. A Hi-Point is a very simple gun to maintain. And I doubt that mine has gone more than 200 rounds without cleaning.
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